ToonCastleTV 2011-12-22 12:56:30

that would be a shame, because judging by the screenshot it looks pretty damn good!

FrozenFire 2011-12-22 12:59:08

Copyrights on music are dumb.
I bet the musicians behind each song would love to see a music video animated to it.

The record companies don't see a dime so they take extreme measures to ruin everyone's good time.

Eastbeast 2011-12-22 13:04:33

@ Frozenfire Not Metallica

Sonucais 2011-12-22 13:23:57

Check out my latest audio favourites, and keep an eye on those artists, I had been looking some underrated users with good music some months ago.

Kreid 2011-12-22 14:02:04

Couldn't agree more, I had the same problem last Christmas which eventually lead to me just scrapping the toon. As long as it's non-profit, surely it's a win/win for both the animator and the musician. The animator gets to use and pay tribute to a song they really like, and the musician gets free advertising and possibly even some people buying their music from it.

Dunso 2011-12-22 14:20:25

Totally sucks. Sometimes I just think it would be nice if Newgrounds was a fairly underground place again where corporate snakes couldn't reach so we could just all put our troll faces on and tell the rest of the world to fuck off.

MindChamber 2011-12-22 15:18:03

Its a shot in the dark but. You could try and contact winger for permission, explain your situation, love for their song and hope for the best.

At this point it couldn't hurt,

I've dropped alot of short cartoon ideas because they were based on a song, an trying to match up a song after the fact never seems to work

Starogre 2011-12-22 15:53:00

copy rights = the rights to copy

imo

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 17:27:05

Um, copyrights are a good thing. It doesn't matter if you profit from it or not. Pretty sure you would be mad if I borrowed something of yours without permission. I might not harm it in any way, because I'm not that kind of person. Now imagine everyone had access at all times... some people aren't so nice, others are. The point is if you don't have laws to protect your shit anyone can use it at any time for any reason, even if it harms you or your things. That song is someone's property, just like your toothbrush is your property... don't use other people's toothbrushes without their permission.

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 17:54:38

Furthermore it is not artistically stifling in the least. You have the foresight to plan your project in it's entirety. It's on you to know what you can and can't do. You're whining because you can't steal someone's property. I'm sorry you didn't understand the laws before you started but it's no one's fault but your own. Just take it as a life lesson and plan accordingly in the future. Whining about copyright laws just makes you look like a lazy, entitled prick. And as MindChamber said, just ask them for permission, they might just let you use the song.

Sorry if I came off as a dick, but this kind of thing grates on my nerves pretty badly. We're all artists here, let's get along and respect each others' creations! It never hurts to ask for permission. Sometimes you might need to fork over some money to get the rights but hey, if you want it bad enough. Just plan your projects through every step and you won't run into trouble. I wish you luck in your future projects, because it looks like you have some serious animation talent.

DylanJames 2011-12-22 18:14:31

I know there have been multiple animations on NG that have led me to discover some rather great bands. There was a recent front page animation that featured a song by Tally Hall that I really liked but had never heard of the band before. Now I plan on buying their merchandise. I think it's safe to assume most artists would appreciate somebody creating an animation based around their music but I suppose it's not the artist one has to fight; it's the suits. There really needs to be more discussion on when companies should be allowed to peruse copyright infringement claims. Like with Tom and NG there should be verifiable proof that Tom or whomever directly benefited from a copyrighted work. There's thousands of animations and to say that somebody on here benefited from a single copyrighted work would be a weak argument inductively speaking unless one could present some very swaying facts. Of course, my knowledge of legal reasoning is average at best but our current copyright laws are not working very well and few would disagree with that.

Starogre 2011-12-22 18:16:45

i haven't ready everything because tldr, but,

what if someone took one of your animations, and made a song to it?

Starogre 2011-12-22 18:17:06

read*

jebus crips

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 18:38:09

"Stealing it on the other hand is wrong" Yeah, no shit and if you don't have their permission you are stealing. How do you not get that concept? What gives you the right to their music just because you had a funny idea about it? You are free to ask them if you can use it and you are free to purchase licensing rights of some sort. I am wrong on no levels with this issue. You are wrong on the base level and that's what is causing you this problem.

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 18:48:22

There really isn't such a thing as visual commentary. You can't just make up things to attempt to get around copyright laws.

You couldn't record yourself doing commentary for a movie and then distribute it as a package in any way... because the movie isn't your property. You could distribute your voice alone, I suppose.

It's really simple, don't attempt to use things that aren't yours or that you don't have permission to use and you don't have a problem.

Copyright laws exist for a reason. Respect that some people value their creations and don't wish for any Tom, Dick or prick to be able to use them all willy nilly.

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 18:51:28

Your argument is like saying I can go into your house and use anything belonging to you for any reason. I might just arrange your dishware in a pleasing way, or I might destroy the shit out of it. Having the protection there allows the artist to say who can enter their "house" and who can't based on who they trust or who pays them enough.

CoolDrMoney 2011-12-22 19:34:35

<a href="http://www.jasonmendelson.com/wp/arch">http://www.jasonmendelson.com/wp/arch </a> ives/2010/02/why-copyright-law-is-stu pid-a-new-series.php

Example #4 applies to this pretty well actually:

"4. Incidental uses of content subject the user to infringement claims. A woman recorded her 13-month old son dancing to Prince's "Let's Go Crazy." The video (all 29 seconds of it) was posted on YouTube and immediately was subject to a DMCA takedown notice. Google complied. The mother is now suing Universal (the entity that owns the song) for violation of fair use laws."

You side with Universal music on this one I take it?

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 19:43:34

You base your arguments on "I think this", "we should be able to because of this list of made up criteria" and "other people do it" . That's not how things work. These visual commentators you described either had permission or they were doing it illegally.

Face the fact that you HAVE NO RIGHTS TO SOMEONE ELSE' INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. If Winger gave up their rights to the song and a big record company owns it now, that was their choice. You still have to follow the law.

You have so much talent, yet you're so irrevocably stupid. I'm done, you'll never get it. You're just a self entitled prick who thinks you should be able to do whatever you want because fuck everybody else. Truly, you are a child.

CoolDrMoney 2011-12-22 19:50:01

To sum up my view on copyright law, it is archaic and should be changed to something that is relevant to the internet age.

TheElSalvador 2011-12-22 20:25:28

I proved my point, many times over. I was just trying to get through your thick skull because you would benefit from the knowledge and I liked your animations. Copyright law is fine as it is... you need to catch up with reality.

You haven't had a valid argument throughout this entire discussion. You blindly believe you get to do whatever you want just because.